[A11ybok] [a11yBoK] policy for invitations?

Thu Mar 15 14:00:28 EDT 2012

So as if my bias in this area wasn't already known, I'm +1 on the
Agile approach too. ;-)

Karl

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Elle Waters <ewaters at humana.com> wrote:
> +1   for scrum J
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> Elle Waters
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> Humana Enterprise Web Accessibility
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> From: a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com [mailto:a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com] On
> Behalf Of Sunshine Lewis
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:32 AM
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> Subject: Re: [A11ybok] [a11yBoK] policy for invitations?
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> I completely agree. I would also suggest that this project may benefit from
> a scrum-like approach: define the larger project goals (including deciding
> how contributors should be organized), choose smallish teams, pick a goal to
> break down into specific tasks, then focus on those tasks over a short (2
> week) time period.
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> That would allow people to know exactly what they are committing to and for
> how long at any given point in the project. It would also allow a web person
> with google-based knowledge and understanding of web accessibility but no
> claim to expertise (like me) to contribute confidently.
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> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Elle Waters <ewaters at humana.com> wrote:
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> I wholeheartedly support this. I operate best when I have concrete goals in
> front of me.  In addition to methodology, what would we like to accomplish,
> and by what date?
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> Cheers,
> Elle
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> Elle Waters
> Humana Enterprise Web Accessibility
> ewaters at humana.com
> Office and Cell: 415.692.1954
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com [mailto:a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com] On
> Behalf Of Sina Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:45 PM
> To: 'A11yBOK Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [A11ybok] [a11yBoK] policy for invitations?
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> Quick note on tech:
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> I can provide any hosting resources, as well, so that hopefully puts to rest
> any questions on technology, as sometimes these discussions get bogged down
> in such things, which I'll take the opportunity to agree with everyone else
> is hardly the crux of the various issues we need to be concentrating on. I
> have no space constraints to operate under either.
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> Other issues:
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> I think that it would be nice to bound this discussion in terms of goals we
> wish to either establish, subsequently explore, and then eventually achieve.
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> It seems like the first one is a methodology by which steering may occur in
> whatever structure arises from this collection of individuals?
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> Take care,
> Sina
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> Website: www.SinaBahram.com
> Twitter: @SinaBahram
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com [mailto:a11ybok-bounces at a11ybuzz.com] On
> Behalf Of Ryan E. Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:42 PM
> To: A11yBOK Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [A11ybok] [a11yBoK] policy for invitations?
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>> I think the first order of business on this particular list is for
>> everyone on the list to do some self-exploration to determine if they
>> are personally able to devote the time to an A11yBOK and qualified to
>> take part in some way.  Regarding the time thing: Olivier's blog post
>> makes a good point that this is an effort that would need funding.
>> How much funding, funding for what & who obviously remains to be seen,
>> but I'd expect for an effort like this to succeed that there would be
>> some compensation for participating.
> Would thinking about funding right now be a little be a bit premature,
> unless we are wanting a society to get set up. Most of all the talk I have
> seen, people are wanting the BOK to be hosted on Wikipedia, which I am for.
> On Twitter, I said no to Wikipedia a few times, let me clear that up by
> saying, that having the final product would be a great idea. However,
> starting there is maybe not the best idea. My hosting plan gives me
> "unlimited storage and bandwidth", I'll say I can give ~5gb of room, if this
> grows beyond that, my host may start asking questions.
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>>  For me, personally, my
>> employment arrangement with Deque basically means I'm unable to hold
>>any pecuniary interest in any company or get any income from doing
>>accessibility work, but I can't see them having any problem with me
>>volunteering.
> My rules are kind of similar, I cannot work on anything that will be used
> for a bid on a contract. Since I don't think that would happen, I am in the
> clear.
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> Olivier said:
>> Nevertheless, there's a also a balance to find between "not enough"
>>and "too many" participants, in order to remain productive. That's why I'm
>> asking:
>> what do you consider as appropriate regarding invitations of other
>> participants?
> Being somebody who has been wanting to get involved with stuff like this for
> a while, I would say we should invite various people, and established a
> board/core group. From there advertise some more. Karl, I haven't been on
> mailman admin panel for a few years, can people be set to as subscribers,
> versus able to talk? This could be useful for people who just want to sit on
> the side, or may be just spinning wheels.
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> Ryan E. Benson
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Karl Groves <karlgroves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm delighted that this discussion is gaining momentum, since
>>> obviously, more brains should foster more interesting ideas :-)
>>> Nevertheless, there's a also a balance to find between "not enough"
>>> and "too many" participants, in order to remain productive.
>>> That's why I'm asking: what do you consider as appropriate regarding
>>> invitations of other participants? I know at least one person who
>>> should be a part of this, and I'm likely to receive requests from
>>> other people who'll show high interest in this discussion.
>>> So what would you recommend?
>>> (Karl, as this is your initiative, I'll follow your rules if there's
>>> no consensus).
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>> I don't consider this my initiative. I'm just happy to host the
>> discussion. If this A11yBOK idea really takes off and becomes a formal
>> effort, it will need to come from a number of people all willing to
>> work together and it will be everyone's initiative. In that regard,
>> maybe even this list needs to be temporary in nature while we flesh
>> out the details of who would be involved, what they would do and how
>> it would get done.
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>> In the first incarnation of this list, we saw a quick burst of
>> interest and some discussion surrounding the A11yBOK and then the
>> enthusiasm waned quickly.  That's fine because it meant that the
>> general consensus was that the list participants were either
>> unwilling/ unable to undertake the effort or didn't see it as
>> logistically feasible at that time.
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>> I think the first order of business on this particular list is for
>> everyone on the list to do some self-exploration to determine if they
>> are personally able to devote the time to an A11yBOK and qualified to
>> take part in some way.  Regarding the time thing: Olivier's blog post
>> makes a good point that this is an effort that would need funding.
>> How much funding, funding for what & who obviously remains to be seen,
>> but I'd expect for an effort like this to succeed that there would be
>> some compensation for participating.   For me, personally, my
>> employment arrangement with Deque basically means I'm unable to hold
>> any pecuniary interest in any company or get any income from doing
>> accessibility work, but I can't see them having any problem with me
>> volunteering.
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>> So everyone should examine their own situation to make sure they can
>> dedicate what's needed to this. Stay on the list if you can do it and
>> unsubscribe if you can't.  If you want to stick around to see what's
>> going on and then decide later whether you do it, that's fine too.
>> What something like this requires, IMO, are folks who (as John Foliot
>> likes to put it) can pick up a shovel and start digging.
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>> The second order of business, IMO, should be for us to brainstorm
>> funding opportunities.  This would also necessitate a discussion of
>> scope, but I think both discussions probably should remain at a high
>> level.  Discussions like this always tend to get too involved in the
>> minutia.  From my perspective, the only consensus we've built so far
>> is that we believe an A11yBOK needs to exist.   We still don't have a
>> handle on anything else and I can't see anything done without funding.
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>> Karl
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